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Roberto Torres: A Ride With Drucker

Please allow me to say a few words about me and my connection with my hero: Peter Drucker.

I was born in Chile, and I followed the traditional Hispanic immigrant’s path, including going to school at night while doing manual labor in construction.

After receiving a Bachelor’s degree in Economics, I left Chile with a plan of obtaining an advanced degree in the United States, and staying here to pursue opportunities that I would not have in Chile. I now have a Master’s degree in Management from the University of Redlands. Additionally, I am a graduate from The Claremont Graduate University where I took three classes with Peter: Management in Society, Effective Decision, and Entrepreneur & Innovation.

 

I had the good fortune to be his designated driver for a period of time in 1995. After class, on Saturdays, I would drive Peter to his modest house and would continue the classroom discussion in my car.

I am a Doctoral learner at University of Phoenix in the Management and Organizational Leadership program.

When I attended “Management of People at Work” — a class with Peter Drucker — at Claremont Graduate University, Peter asked one day, “Who can give me ride home after class?” Without thinking, both my hands were up in the air. I could not believe my luck. Peter Drucker was my hero! Peter looked at me and said, “Ok, Roberto, you are going to be my designated driver.”

From that day on, and for the next three classes I took with Peter (“Effective Decision” “Entrepreneur and Innovation” and “Management in Society”), my duty each Saturday was to drive Peter Drucker home.

Peter (as he asked his students to address him) questioned the official title of the class, “Management of People at Work.” In his words, “We do not manage people; we lead them.” One student echoing his words asked “To lead and to motivate them?” As an introduction to his answer, Peter said “To lead them, yes; to motivate them is different.”

Leadership

Opening his discussion on leadership, Peter introduced us to a fourth century B.C. Greek student of Socrates named Xenophon. It was Peter’s unique style to take his students on a journey back thousands of years to the ancient Greek philosophers, to the Pyramids, or to the Roman Empire to make a historical point, and then bring us back to the present.

Peter reminded us that to be defined a leader, a person must have followers; without followers there is no leader. Followers do not need to like the leader, or to agree with him: It is not a popularity contest. It is a matter of trust and integrity; only performance matters. Peter insisted, almost dogmatically, “Integrity is the sign of true leadership.” He once ended a discussion on leadership with a question that I would like to pose to readers: In a submarine the captain eats alone, a bishop also eats alone: Why?

Motivation

In another lecture, Peter said, “Motivation is not that easy.” He opened the discussion with a simple question which was nevertheless, very difficult to answer correctly. “Why do people do things?” Peter cautioned the students, “Don’t speculate about motivation; look for behavior,” and “Do not give answers that you don’t know.”

With his profound German-accented voice he reiterated, “Do not believe you have an answer only because you are intelligent…do not give answers; just try to understand. There is nothing more dangerous than people trying to be intelligent.”

According to Peter, there had been no major innovation in motivation since George Elton Mayo’s (1880-1949) pioneering research in human behavior at the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company outside Chicago. Elton Mayo highlighted how management can make workers perform differently because they feel differently. Later Abraham H. Maslow’s book The Eupsychian Management (1962) showed “that different people have to be managed differently.” Peter, with enthusiasm, praised Mayo and Maslow for their contribution to the discussion on motivation.

From my notes in class, I wrote:

Place the worker in the right job; not an easy task, but achievable.

Provide the worker with information for outstanding performance.

Engage and challenge their abilities defining performance standard.

Treat your workers not simply as employees, but also as volunteers.

Take the lesson from the nonprofit sector and encourage managerial vision.

Block or shield the employees from the “demotivators” that hinder performance.

Create the conditions in the work place so that the employees motivate themselves.

As Peter Drucker’s designated driver, I drove through the streets with bumpers to make the ride slower, enjoying some inspiring extra minutes with Peter in my car.

 

By Roberto Torres, Doctoral Candidate, University of Phoenix, Management and Organizational Leadership


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Friday, September 16, 2011 11:17:04 AM


I THINK THAT ROBERTO IT IS REALLY A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON,AND I 'M HAPPY THAT HE HAS DONE SO MANY THINGS IN USA.

ROSSY CASTILLO

Friday, September 16, 2011 1:22:23 PM

Excelente artìculo. Muy motivador para todos aquellos que deseen evolucionar y progresar.
El ejemplo de Roberto Torres, es un ejemplo muy claro, de que cuando hacemos las cosas con pasiòn, no hay obstàculo que entorpezca el llegar a la meta.
Me llamò mucho la atenciòn su humildad, su sencillez y su carisma.
Un artìculo con mucho espìritu de superaciòn en un paìs abierto para quien desee de verdad lograr el èxito con una excelente calidad de vida.

Me quedo con un grato sabor de boca, al leer de palabras de un inmigrante chileno, que saliò de su paìs buscando mejorar su vida y lo logrò.
Ahora es motivador de muchas personas para que logren hacer sus vidas productivas y exitosas.

!Muchas felicidades Roberto! que continùe el èxito en tu vida personal y profesional!

Desde Mèxico,

Tìa Trini

www.latiatrini.com

TRINIDAD TERRAZAS GASTÉLUM

Friday, September 16, 2011 8:17:43 PM

This was a beautiful and moving article. Mr. Torres seemed to capture the excitement and enthusiasm this simple relationship engendered. I salute Mr. Torres for showing us a bit of Peter Drucker and a sweet relationship between teacher and student. Very well done! Note: I also, as a Life Coach, really enjoyed what Mr. Drucker, as presented by Mr. Torres, had to say abaout motivation!

Paula Verbit

Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:57:29 AM

@Mr. Roberto Torres

What a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing it.

I understand Mr. Drucker's first classes that he taught in the US were in Philosophy and it seems from your discussion that some of these deep philosophical musings come through.

Many of his teachings are reiterated and echoed today in areas of collaboration, networking and marketing. Scratch the surface anywhere and you find some Drucker.

Thank you for the insights.

All the best.

John Taratuta

Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:27:15 PM

Thank you for sharing the interesting picture of your early relationship with Peter, your glimpses into the class room setting and interaction and especially your notes taken in the actual class setting. All are interesting and stimulate thought, even in me as a reader.

I can see how you liked the interplayand non-structured setting and the dialogue between students and teacher. Someone has said in pedagogy, "more is caught than taught" and I would imagine from your driving and bumpy roads that much was transmitted to you and between you and maybe more was "caught" along the way to Peter's home than you could have known at the time. Thanks for sharing with me and for taking me on the ride, as you began with it and ended with it. Good writing. Keep up the good work and I hope all goes well as you continue to learn and grow. Barry

Barry Herman

Monday, September 19, 2011 6:33:52 AM

True, motivation is not easy. Some confuse "instilling fear" as motivation, and that's just bad for the workplace.

Human Resource Management System

Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:59:30 AM

I love this! Please keep me posted. This was my favorite segment, “With his profound German-accented voice he reiterated, “Do not believe you have an answer only because you are intelligent…do not give answers; just try to understand. There is nothing more dangerous than people trying to be intelligent.” and “Elton Mayo highlighted how management can make workers perform differently because they feel differently.” These lines really spoke to me. Thank you for sharing. I feel better today already. This is intriguing and really makes me think.

Rachael Mynchenberg

Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:08:36 PM

What a wonderful article! It was inspiring and motivating. Smile

Melanie Stone

Friday, October 07, 2011 3:43:03 PM

Hi Roberto,

This is GREAT! Filled with passion, truth and genuine friendship. WOW! You are a very eloquent writer!


Thank you for sharing.
Mary

Mary

Monday, October 10, 2011 10:57:38 PM


Roberto I truly enjoyed your experience with none other than Peter Drucker. If only a larger number of our brothers South of the boarder would come to this great land of opportunities with the same mentality you have shared with us, otro sería la historia. After reading your blog you and I have to sit down as I would like to share with you some of the most exciting moments I have experienced in recent years, by doing precisely what Peter said, "leading with integrity, but above all, by example."

Roberto Argüello
www.RobertoArguello.com

Roberto Argüello

Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:38:07 PM

Roberto,

What a great article. Wow, I am envious of your time with a true leadership giant. Your article was inspiring to me. I sincerely thank you!

Also, I spent two years in Santiago, Chile and I love the people and the culture.

Thank you for sharing.

Christian

Christian Buhler

Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:29:35 PM

Roberto,

Wow!! What a wonderful experience. One-on-one time with Peter Drucker, it couldn't get any better. I sincerely hope that you will have other opportunities to write and share your expereinces with all of us.

Sue Periera

Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:32:14 PM

Roberto,
Terrific writing, too bad we lost touch so many years. Lets meet when I return to LA and catch up with each other. Hey, I'm still looking for the answer to "why does the captain and the bishop eat alone?".
Your old friend, Mike Karpel, CPA, PFS

Mike Karpel

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:47:10 PM

Roberto,


Como siempre, la experencia es lo que te vale mas! Todos estamos viendo una manera de ser un lider que todos respetan y que son los mejores motivadores. Ya sabes que en los entrenamientos internos en Hermosillo, que esos calidades llegan a los oidos de la gente, y eso es lo que ellos siguen. Un abrazo fuerte y te veremos pronto.

Pablo McIntosh
VP de Operaciones Estranjeros
Anexa Direct LLC

Pablo McIntosh

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